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		<title>By: Steve Layton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Layton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Steven. It&#039;s never too late, if there&#039;s something that still needs said. Thanks for the memory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steven. It&#8217;s never too late, if there&#8217;s something that still needs said. Thanks for the memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/jorge-liderman-1957-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-15366</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m coming to this conversation quite late but will post this anyhow. 

Jorge was my staunchest supporter among the faculty when I was at grad school and went to bat for me more than once. As several above have said, he was as much a friend as he was a teacher.

One of my fondest memories of him: I was showing him a piece I was working on at our composition seminar. It was the very end of the class and other students were starting to come in. He said to me &quot;It seems like you didn&#039;t spend very much time on this.&quot; Which really bothered me, because I had.

Later that day he actually called me at home to apologize and explain that he was rushed and didn&#039;t look carefully enough at my score. I thought that was truly remarkable - that a professor would call his student to apologize for an offhand caustic remark. It showed me that he was sensitive to my reaction and cared about my feelings, as well as that he had reflected on his own behavior. I felt extremely grateful for that and was endeared to him for the rest of the time we knew each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming to this conversation quite late but will post this anyhow. </p>
<p>Jorge was my staunchest supporter among the faculty when I was at grad school and went to bat for me more than once. As several above have said, he was as much a friend as he was a teacher.</p>
<p>One of my fondest memories of him: I was showing him a piece I was working on at our composition seminar. It was the very end of the class and other students were starting to come in. He said to me &#8220;It seems like you didn&#8217;t spend very much time on this.&#8221; Which really bothered me, because I had.</p>
<p>Later that day he actually called me at home to apologize and explain that he was rushed and didn&#8217;t look carefully enough at my score. I thought that was truly remarkable &#8211; that a professor would call his student to apologize for an offhand caustic remark. It showed me that he was sensitive to my reaction and cared about my feelings, as well as that he had reflected on his own behavior. I felt extremely grateful for that and was endeared to him for the rest of the time we knew each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Ian Winstin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Ian Winstin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is with terrible sadness that I read the news of Jorge&#039;s tragic death.  My thoughts and prayers go out to his many friends, family and colleagues throughout the world.
I had the priviledge of recording Jorge&#039;s wonderful GLIMPSES with the Kiev Philharmonic.  I remember telling him after the recording sessions how much I enjoyed recording them and how I enjoyed further study of the score.  I still delve into the score to this day.
He will be missed by many.  I know I will miss his spirit.  Robert]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is with terrible sadness that I read the news of Jorge&#8217;s tragic death.  My thoughts and prayers go out to his many friends, family and colleagues throughout the world.<br />
I had the priviledge of recording Jorge&#8217;s wonderful GLIMPSES with the Kiev Philharmonic.  I remember telling him after the recording sessions how much I enjoyed recording them and how I enjoyed further study of the score.  I still delve into the score to this day.<br />
He will be missed by many.  I know I will miss his spirit.  Robert</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/jorge-liderman-1957-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-14666</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was truly shocked and saddened to open up the latest Berkeley Music Department flier and learn of the death of Jorge Liderman. Sadly, the news had taken this long to reach darkest Lancaster, PA.

I remember Jorge as a dedicated and supportive teacher who was perhaps a little shy, but always generous and with a quiet sense of humour.  I was fortunate enough to conduct the American premiere of Antigona Furiosa, an intense, challenging score.

I was more fortunate that, although he was not my advisor, he took the time to study my Piano Concerto (when I was working on my dissertation in 1994) and come up with many insightful observations and suggestions that ended up improving both its detail and large framework.

At this distance of time I have no idea what demons were tormenting him, except to say that sometimes a highly creative mind can turn on itself to become highly destructive.

My heart goes out to his family, colleagues and students.

Simon Andrews]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was truly shocked and saddened to open up the latest Berkeley Music Department flier and learn of the death of Jorge Liderman. Sadly, the news had taken this long to reach darkest Lancaster, PA.</p>
<p>I remember Jorge as a dedicated and supportive teacher who was perhaps a little shy, but always generous and with a quiet sense of humour.  I was fortunate enough to conduct the American premiere of Antigona Furiosa, an intense, challenging score.</p>
<p>I was more fortunate that, although he was not my advisor, he took the time to study my Piano Concerto (when I was working on my dissertation in 1994) and come up with many insightful observations and suggestions that ended up improving both its detail and large framework.</p>
<p>At this distance of time I have no idea what demons were tormenting him, except to say that sometimes a highly creative mind can turn on itself to become highly destructive.</p>
<p>My heart goes out to his family, colleagues and students.</p>
<p>Simon Andrews</p>
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		<title>By: zeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1.

http://www.calperfs.berkeley.edu/presents/information_desk/program_notes/2007/pn_jorge_liderman.pdf

2.

http://www.albanyrecords.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&amp;Store_Code=AR&amp;Product_Code=TROY651&amp;Category_Code=VCN&amp;Search=liderman&amp;Offset=&amp;filter_cat=&amp;exclude_word=&amp;the_fieldlist=g.SRCH_CODE%7Cg.SRCH_NAME%7Cg.SRCH_PRICE%7Cg.SRCH_COMPOSER%7Cg.SRCH_CONTENTS&amp;range_low=&amp;range_high=&amp;dopowersearch=1&amp;SRCH_CATEGORY_HF=&amp;PowerSearch_Begin_Only=]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.calperfs.berkeley.edu/presents/information_desk/program_notes/2007/pn_jorge_liderman.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.calperfs.berkeley.edu/presents/information_desk/program_notes/2007/pn_jorge_liderman.pdf</a></p>
<p>2.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.albanyrecords.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&#038;Store_Code=AR&#038;Product_Code=TROY651&#038;Category_Code=VCN&#038;Search=liderman&#038;Offset=&#038;filter_cat=&#038;exclude_word=&#038;the_fieldlist=g.SRCH_CODE%7Cg.SRCH_NAME%7Cg.SRCH_PRICE%7Cg.SRCH_COMPOSER%7Cg.SRCH_CONTENTS&#038;range_low=&#038;range_high=&#038;dopowersearch=1&#038;SRCH_CATEGORY_HF=&#038;PowerSearch_Begin_Only=" rel="nofollow">http://www.albanyrecords.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&#038;Store_Code=AR&#038;Product_Code=TROY651&#038;Category_Code=VCN&#038;Search=liderman&#038;Offset=&#038;filter_cat=&#038;exclude_word=&#038;the_fieldlist=g.SRCH_CODE%7Cg.SRCH_NAME%7Cg.SRCH_PRICE%7Cg.SRCH_COMPOSER%7Cg.SRCH_CONTENTS&#038;range_low=&#038;range_high=&#038;dopowersearch=1&#038;SRCH_CATEGORY_HF=&#038;PowerSearch_Begin_Only=</a></p>
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		<title>By: zeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your response and for your two additional pieces of information regarding Jorge Liderman.  Both pieces of information are terrible to think about.

I am troubled that his experimental medical treatment for depression may have led to the terrible side-effect of his &#039;sudden&#039; suicide.

I also hope that someone among the 19 or so former students who posted so eloquantly at New Music Box (or among Mr Liderman&#039;s academic and professional colleagues) might be in the position to reach out to Jorge&#039;s sister, Claudia, and to his mother -- both in Argentina; in addition to Mr Liderman&#039;s wife, Mimi.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/19suicide.html?_r=1&amp;scp=3&amp;sq=suicide&amp;st=nyt&amp;oref=slogin

*

[I had meant to indicate earlier that I found Mr Liderman&#039;s earlier chamber music, on the Albany CD, to be &quot;process-music influenced&quot;, rather than &quot;minimalism-influenced&quot;.  And I wish that Mr Liderman&#039;s award-winning Munich opera would become available on a recording.  Does anyone reading recall the name of Mr Liderman&#039;s beautifully engraved score that was featured for several months in the central showcase of Berkeley&#039;s new Music Library?]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your response and for your two additional pieces of information regarding Jorge Liderman.  Both pieces of information are terrible to think about.</p>
<p>I am troubled that his experimental medical treatment for depression may have led to the terrible side-effect of his &#8216;sudden&#8217; suicide.</p>
<p>I also hope that someone among the 19 or so former students who posted so eloquantly at New Music Box (or among Mr Liderman&#8217;s academic and professional colleagues) might be in the position to reach out to Jorge&#8217;s sister, Claudia, and to his mother &#8212; both in Argentina; in addition to Mr Liderman&#8217;s wife, Mimi.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/19suicide.html?_r=1&#038;scp=3&#038;sq=suicide&#038;st=nyt&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/19suicide.html?_r=1&#038;scp=3&#038;sq=suicide&#038;st=nyt&#038;oref=slogin</a></p>
<p>*</p>
<p>[I had meant to indicate earlier that I found Mr Liderman's earlier chamber music, on the Albany CD, to be "process-music influenced", rather than "minimalism-influenced".  And I wish that Mr Liderman's award-winning Munich opera would become available on a recording.  Does anyone reading recall the name of Mr Liderman's beautifully engraved score that was featured for several months in the central showcase of Berkeley's new Music Library?]</p>
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		<title>By: Georg Hajdu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georg Hajdu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I felt that zeno&#039;s comment was a little out of place, I didn&#039;t feel insulted by it. There was something endearing in its naiveté. 
There are two things that one should know about Jorge Liderman which puts his suicide into perspective:
1. Very few people know that his father died in a horrible accident. If I remember correctly, he was a chemist and blew himself up in an experiment. This certainly can cause a chip on someone&#039;s shoulder.
2. I was told that Jorge struggled with depression and sought relief in a mind-altering treatment considered highly dangerous for its rebounds. I have no concrete information on this, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I felt that zeno&#8217;s comment was a little out of place, I didn&#8217;t feel insulted by it. There was something endearing in its naiveté.<br />
There are two things that one should know about Jorge Liderman which puts his suicide into perspective:<br />
1. Very few people know that his father died in a horrible accident. If I remember correctly, he was a chemist and blew himself up in an experiment. This certainly can cause a chip on someone&#8217;s shoulder.<br />
2. I was told that Jorge struggled with depression and sought relief in a mind-altering treatment considered highly dangerous for its rebounds. I have no concrete information on this, though.</p>
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		<title>By: davidcoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidcoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[link: http://newmusicbox.com/article.nmbx?id=5453

this might be of interest to those who&#039;d like to learn more about jorge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>link: <a href="http://newmusicbox.com/article.nmbx?id=5453" rel="nofollow">http://newmusicbox.com/article.nmbx?id=5453</a></p>
<p>this might be of interest to those who&#8217;d like to learn more about jorge.</p>
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		<title>By: David Toub</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Toub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And what&#039;s wrong with minimalism exactly, or is it just not your cup of tea? Why did your preference for one album merit a presumptive put-down of minimalism? Why not just say that you prefer the Song of Songs and move on?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what&#8217;s wrong with minimalism exactly, or is it just not your cup of tea? Why did your preference for one album merit a presumptive put-down of minimalism? Why not just say that you prefer the Song of Songs and move on?</p>
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		<title>By: zeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr Fried,

I accept your comment that I should not have stated a comparative opinion when mentioning Mr John Thow.  I regret this error.  (The second comment you cite was a reasonable response, I believe, to Jerry Bowles&#039;s first comment above.)

That said, pace Mr Toub, I believe that my response to Mr Hajdu was a reasonable one.

*

Having now listened to both the Albany Records Jorge Liderman chamber music album and the Bridge Song of Songs, I recommend the Bridge Song of Songs most highly.  (The earlier music is more minimalism-influenced.)  The performances on both albums are superb.

I look foward to hearing more of Mr Liderman&#039;s work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Fried,</p>
<p>I accept your comment that I should not have stated a comparative opinion when mentioning Mr John Thow.  I regret this error.  (The second comment you cite was a reasonable response, I believe, to Jerry Bowles&#8217;s first comment above.)</p>
<p>That said, pace Mr Toub, I believe that my response to Mr Hajdu was a reasonable one.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>Having now listened to both the Albany Records Jorge Liderman chamber music album and the Bridge Song of Songs, I recommend the Bridge Song of Songs most highly.  (The earlier music is more minimalism-influenced.)  The performances on both albums are superb.</p>
<p>I look foward to hearing more of Mr Liderman&#8217;s work.</p>
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