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		<title>By: David Toub</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-13937</link>
		<dc:creator>David Toub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since I always preferred the Reason version over the string version, I commented out the string link on my site, so hopefully folks will not get put off by the original version done via Finale. Also, the version in the XSPF player embedded on the site has always been the Reason version, so we&#039;re good. 

Still, Lisa, any of these versions should provide a really good sense of the piece. And I don&#039;t consider the use of virtual instruments to be a ”taboo.“ For starters, why should a MIDI-based realization using high-quality samples be less valid than the electronics used in, say, an Ussachevsky or Babbitt piece that mimic a piano? And there&#039;s also the reality that many of us new music types just don&#039;t have performers knocking down our doors to play our music. Not because it sucks, but because that&#039;s just the nature of the new music world. Always has been. I&#039;d rather be able to have a lot of people hear my music, even if not performed by the Kronos Quartet or another ensemble, than not to hear it at all. And with the quality of most samples these days, the virtual performances are even better than before, although admittedly strings and voice are more difficult to realize electronically. A pianist I know actually mistook my synthesized audio file of an &lt;a href=http://homepage.mac.com/dtoub/ineffabilities.mp3 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;old 12-tone piano work of mine (&lt;b&gt;ineffabilities&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/a&gt; for the real deal. He even made some laudatory comments about the pianist, since the work is pretty hard to play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I always preferred the Reason version over the string version, I commented out the string link on my site, so hopefully folks will not get put off by the original version done via Finale. Also, the version in the XSPF player embedded on the site has always been the Reason version, so we&#8217;re good. </p>
<p>Still, Lisa, any of these versions should provide a really good sense of the piece. And I don&#8217;t consider the use of virtual instruments to be a ”taboo.“ For starters, why should a MIDI-based realization using high-quality samples be less valid than the electronics used in, say, an Ussachevsky or Babbitt piece that mimic a piano? And there&#8217;s also the reality that many of us new music types just don&#8217;t have performers knocking down our doors to play our music. Not because it sucks, but because that&#8217;s just the nature of the new music world. Always has been. I&#8217;d rather be able to have a lot of people hear my music, even if not performed by the Kronos Quartet or another ensemble, than not to hear it at all. And with the quality of most samples these days, the virtual performances are even better than before, although admittedly strings and voice are more difficult to realize electronically. A pianist I know actually mistook my synthesized audio file of an <a href=http://homepage.mac.com/dtoub/ineffabilities.mp3 rel="nofollow">old 12-tone piano work of mine (<b>ineffabilities</b>)</a> for the real deal. He even made some laudatory comments about the pianist, since the work is pretty hard to play.</p>
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		<title>By: David Toub</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-13934</link>
		<dc:creator>David Toub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisa, I make the best with the limited resources I have. The string version is what it is. The main issue for me is the fact that there are some skips In the very beginning, owing to Finale&#039;s Garritan Personal Orchestra playback as well as my two-year-old iiBook&#039;s CPU. 

However, the version I did for winds, strings, mallet instruments, piano and synths in Reason 4.0 is better, and you&#039;re certainly welcome to go to my &lt;a href=&quot;http://homepage.mac.com/dtoub/dbtmusic.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; music page&lt;/a&gt; and download it. Let me know what you thnk of it. Think of it as a different performance from Steve&#039;s great interpretation. There are some differences between the two versions (steve&#039;s and mine), but these are minor. 

So what you&#039;re saying, Lisa, is that you feel the music is crying out for a live performance, no? 8-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I make the best with the limited resources I have. The string version is what it is. The main issue for me is the fact that there are some skips In the very beginning, owing to Finale&#8217;s Garritan Personal Orchestra playback as well as my two-year-old iiBook&#8217;s CPU. </p>
<p>However, the version I did for winds, strings, mallet instruments, piano and synths in Reason 4.0 is better, and you&#8217;re certainly welcome to go to my <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/dtoub/dbtmusic.html" rel="nofollow"> music page</a> and download it. Let me know what you thnk of it. Think of it as a different performance from Steve&#8217;s great interpretation. There are some differences between the two versions (steve&#8217;s and mine), but these are minor. </p>
<p>So what you&#8217;re saying, Lisa, is that you feel the music is crying out for a live performance, no? <img src='http://www.sequenza21.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve Layton</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-13933</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Layton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David&#039;s original version is the stringy thing. It gives an idea, but needed a real &quot;touch&quot; and &quot;space&quot; to do justice to the fine piece that this is.

To give everyone a chance to preview my &quot;NiwoSound Ensemble&quot; performance that&#039;s on this CD, I&#039;ve made a 4&#039;30&quot; excerpt from the center of the piece that you can freely listen to:

http://www.niwo.com/music/toub_darfur_excerpt.mp3

(We&#039;re at the end of one of the vibraphone&#039;s &quot;arias&quot;, heading into the second statement of a driving motoric section for full ensemble, rounded off by one of the &quot;chorales&quot; that punctuate the piece.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8217;s original version is the stringy thing. It gives an idea, but needed a real &#8220;touch&#8221; and &#8220;space&#8221; to do justice to the fine piece that this is.</p>
<p>To give everyone a chance to preview my &#8220;NiwoSound Ensemble&#8221; performance that&#8217;s on this CD, I&#8217;ve made a 4&#8217;30&#8243; excerpt from the center of the piece that you can freely listen to:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.niwo.com/music/toub_darfur_excerpt.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.niwo.com/music/toub_darfur_excerpt.mp3</a></p>
<p>(We&#8217;re at the end of one of the vibraphone&#8217;s &#8220;arias&#8221;, heading into the second statement of a driving motoric section for full ensemble, rounded off by one of the &#8220;chorales&#8221; that punctuate the piece.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-13932</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a midi realization? Ive been away from the notated music scene for a while now but isn&#039;t this a well justified taboo. Personally I find the strings realization on David&#039;s web site intolerable. Piece might be great but that sound ... Is it really an acceptable format for your music David? Am I alone on this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a midi realization? Ive been away from the notated music scene for a while now but isn&#8217;t this a well justified taboo. Personally I find the strings realization on David&#8217;s web site intolerable. Piece might be great but that sound &#8230; Is it really an acceptable format for your music David? Am I alone on this?</p>
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		<title>By: David Toub</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-13926</link>
		<dc:creator>David Toub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 03:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, James. Thought I&#039;d write a shorter piece for a change. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, James. Thought I&#8217;d write a shorter piece for a change. <img src='http://www.sequenza21.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James Combs</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-13925</link>
		<dc:creator>James Combs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congratulations!  54 minutes wow!

James]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations!  54 minutes wow!</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky P.</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-13924</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparky P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David: What the hack are you doing here in San Francisco?
Tom: When the heck are we gonna get more toonz to name?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: What the hack are you doing here in San Francisco?<br />
Tom: When the heck are we gonna get more toonz to name?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Layton</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-13923</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Layton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect it&#039;s actually Tom-less... but there&#039;s definitely not a speck of shame to be had. It&#039;s exactly what it is, no flinching.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect it&#8217;s actually Tom-less&#8230; but there&#8217;s definitely not a speck of shame to be had. It&#8217;s exactly what it is, no flinching.</p>
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		<title>By: David Toub</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-13922</link>
		<dc:creator>David Toub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Steve, I&#039;m sitting here in San Francisco checking my usual blog feeds and this post absolutely made my day. Thanks very much for taking the time to do a wicked cool realization of DP, just as you did previously with my early 80&#039;s piano work &lt;b&gt;textbook&lt;/b&gt;. 

Just so people realize what Steve did, he took a MIDI file I posted on my &lt;a href=http://homepage.mac.com/dtoub/dbtmusic.html rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;music site&lt;/a&gt; and on his own, did a really nice realization of my piece. There are one or two minor additions/changes near the end, which I am delighted with, since it indicates to me that Steve liked the music enough to put his own stamp on it. It&#039;s different from the original (and slightly flawed, thanks to Finale&#039;s erratic playback in the beginning) version I did for strings, and also different from the &lt;a href=http://homepage.mac.com/dtoub/darfur_pogrommen_REASON.mp3 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;later version in Reason 4.&lt;/a&gt; The great thing about open instrumentation is that every performance will necessarily be different, and whomever arranges the piece will find something unique in it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Steve, I&#8217;m sitting here in San Francisco checking my usual blog feeds and this post absolutely made my day. Thanks very much for taking the time to do a wicked cool realization of DP, just as you did previously with my early 80&#8242;s piano work <b>textbook</b>. </p>
<p>Just so people realize what Steve did, he took a MIDI file I posted on my <a href=http://homepage.mac.com/dtoub/dbtmusic.html rel="nofollow">music site</a> and on his own, did a really nice realization of my piece. There are one or two minor additions/changes near the end, which I am delighted with, since it indicates to me that Steve liked the music enough to put his own stamp on it. It&#8217;s different from the original (and slightly flawed, thanks to Finale&#8217;s erratic playback in the beginning) version I did for strings, and also different from the <a href=http://homepage.mac.com/dtoub/darfur_pogrommen_REASON.mp3 rel="nofollow">later version in Reason 4.</a> The great thing about open instrumentation is that every performance will necessarily be different, and whomever arranges the piece will find something unique in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Myron</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/2008/02/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-13919</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Myron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this more tasteless than shameless, or shameless than tasteless? I just can&#039;t decide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this more tasteless than shameless, or shameless than tasteless? I just can&#8217;t decide.</p>
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