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	<title>Comments on: Being, Nothingness and Morton Feldman</title>
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		<title>By: Robert A. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert A. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Michael and zeno! I must check out more Feldman.

I like the &#039;in media res&#039; reference - so Feldman&#039;s work can be conceptualised as a non-narrative sort of &#039;in media res&#039;; however, one that remains &#039;in media&#039;!
Great!
Thanks,
R.A.B.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Michael and zeno! I must check out more Feldman.</p>
<p>I like the &#8216;in media res&#8217; reference &#8211; so Feldman&#8217;s work can be conceptualised as a non-narrative sort of &#8216;in media res&#8217;; however, one that remains &#8216;in media&#8217;!<br />
Great!<br />
Thanks,<br />
R.A.B.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McDonagh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael McDonagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pleased to see my piece on Feldman has caused something of a stir.

Feldman was apparently against the dialectical approach / form of the classic masters -- thesis, antitthesis.. --and in favor of something not unlike Stockhausen&#039;s Momentform, which I was going to bring up in my piece.  Feldman&#039;s stubborn insistence on his pieces not going anywhere, or at least not going anywhere we expect or want them to,  can validate Virgil Thomson&#039;s remark that some of Cage&#039;s pieces were &quot; all middle. &quot; 

Shakespeare&#039;s plays always start in the middle of things ( in media res ), but they&#039;re always intent on telling you something -- and -- going somewhere, Not a criticiism, but a description of two disparate ways of making art.

And by ahistorical I meant that Feldman apparently meant his pieces to be experienced as if nothing came before them -- other composers, and the history attached to them --  and nothing came after.

And yes Feldman doesn&#039;t really work any way but live. I re-played the vinyl Rothko Chapel, which didn&#039;t sound anything like whatI heard when I heard the SF Contemporary Music Players do it live in the big white rotunda of SF MOMA, in its old Van Ness digs. And met the charming composer after.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleased to see my piece on Feldman has caused something of a stir.</p>
<p>Feldman was apparently against the dialectical approach / form of the classic masters &#8212; thesis, antitthesis.. &#8211;and in favor of something not unlike Stockhausen&#8217;s Momentform, which I was going to bring up in my piece.  Feldman&#8217;s stubborn insistence on his pieces not going anywhere, or at least not going anywhere we expect or want them to,  can validate Virgil Thomson&#8217;s remark that some of Cage&#8217;s pieces were &#8221; all middle. &#8221; </p>
<p>Shakespeare&#8217;s plays always start in the middle of things ( in media res ), but they&#8217;re always intent on telling you something &#8212; and &#8212; going somewhere, Not a criticiism, but a description of two disparate ways of making art.</p>
<p>And by ahistorical I meant that Feldman apparently meant his pieces to be experienced as if nothing came before them &#8212; other composers, and the history attached to them &#8212;  and nothing came after.</p>
<p>And yes Feldman doesn&#8217;t really work any way but live. I re-played the vinyl Rothko Chapel, which didn&#8217;t sound anything like whatI heard when I heard the SF Contemporary Music Players do it live in the big white rotunda of SF MOMA, in its old Van Ness digs. And met the charming composer after.</p>
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		<title>By: zeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating post and comments.  Thank you.

Having heard Graeme Jennings performing solo at Hertz Hall fairly recently, I&#039;m sure that I too would very much have enjoyed this live duo concert.

As to Mr Baker&#039;s postscript, while not what he is exactly looking for, violinist and conductor Paul Zukofsky&#039;s letter to Morty at about the time of Feldman&#039;s passing is -- I believe -- highly intriguing (for those who haven&#039;t seen it before --Perhaps it can be read at the same time as one (re) reads Stockhausen&#039;s Momentform essay):

http://www.musicalobservations.com/recordings/cp2_101.html

*

[Mr Zukofsky has paired, on CP2,  a recent chamber recording of Feldman and Babbitt; if not Feldman and Stockhausen.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating post and comments.  Thank you.</p>
<p>Having heard Graeme Jennings performing solo at Hertz Hall fairly recently, I&#8217;m sure that I too would very much have enjoyed this live duo concert.</p>
<p>As to Mr Baker&#8217;s postscript, while not what he is exactly looking for, violinist and conductor Paul Zukofsky&#8217;s letter to Morty at about the time of Feldman&#8217;s passing is &#8212; I believe &#8212; highly intriguing (for those who haven&#8217;t seen it before &#8211;Perhaps it can be read at the same time as one (re) reads Stockhausen&#8217;s Momentform essay):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.musicalobservations.com/recordings/cp2_101.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.musicalobservations.com/recordings/cp2_101.html</a></p>
<p>*</p>
<p>[Mr Zukofsky has paired, on CP2,  a recent chamber recording of Feldman and Babbitt; if not Feldman and Stockhausen.]</p>
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		<title>By: davidcoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidcoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was an incredible concert, one of the best I&#039;ve attended in a long time. Not only were the musicians clearly interpreting feldman, but they and the audience were very much connected. 

I think one big reason is because of the nights simplicity- it was just one piece, and the audience had an idea of what they were going to get- and yet it became clear quite quickly that hearing this music live is the only true experience of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was an incredible concert, one of the best I&#8217;ve attended in a long time. Not only were the musicians clearly interpreting feldman, but they and the audience were very much connected. </p>
<p>I think one big reason is because of the nights simplicity- it was just one piece, and the audience had an idea of what they were going to get- and yet it became clear quite quickly that hearing this music live is the only true experience of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert A. Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert A. Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the paradox in the opening comment (I should say, not an error on the part of the writer):
1. &quot;Feldman isn’t after a logical dialectical continuity but an ahistorical present&quot; - this reminds me of Stockhausen&#039;s ideas on Moment Form and &#039;vertical cuts&#039; in time, exploding a moment into infinity (from his article Momentform) and therefore embracing the discontinuous musical expression.
... and then, 2.
&quot;But Jennings and Jones made that lack of “content “ convincing,  and urgent. A slow steady sequence of quietly inflected piano chords sounded as if they were going somewhere, ...&quot; - suggesting a sense (for that listener) of continuity and directionality, despite not being &quot;after a logical dialectical continuity&quot;. Of course, Stockhauen did say that each of his &#039;moments&#039; may or may not have a sense of goal orientation themselves, but that the overall form was discontinuous.

It&#039;s the sort of multiplicity that is the foundation of Kramer&#039;s book, The Time of Music; the idea that the music-temporal experience is always multiple, a beautiful paradoxical combination of continuity and discontinuity, directedness and non-directedness.

I must stop, but lastly, the use of the word &#039;ahistorical&#039; is lovely! This of course is extremely rich in temporal implication! Can a present moment be without history? Is Feldman in fact (as the above comment says) &quot;extremely historically aware and he is making an ironic statement on the futility of a prescribed form ...&quot;
I don&#039;t know that I&#039;m convinced of this ... although he is certainly employing a &#039;non-prescribed form.&#039;

Nice post!

p.s. Does anyone know of any articles/writings that relate Feldman and Stockhausen?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the paradox in the opening comment (I should say, not an error on the part of the writer):<br />
1. &#8220;Feldman isn’t after a logical dialectical continuity but an ahistorical present&#8221; &#8211; this reminds me of Stockhausen&#8217;s ideas on Moment Form and &#8216;vertical cuts&#8217; in time, exploding a moment into infinity (from his article Momentform) and therefore embracing the discontinuous musical expression.<br />
&#8230; and then, 2.<br />
&#8220;But Jennings and Jones made that lack of “content “ convincing,  and urgent. A slow steady sequence of quietly inflected piano chords sounded as if they were going somewhere, &#8230;&#8221; &#8211; suggesting a sense (for that listener) of continuity and directionality, despite not being &#8220;after a logical dialectical continuity&#8221;. Of course, Stockhauen did say that each of his &#8216;moments&#8217; may or may not have a sense of goal orientation themselves, but that the overall form was discontinuous.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the sort of multiplicity that is the foundation of Kramer&#8217;s book, The Time of Music; the idea that the music-temporal experience is always multiple, a beautiful paradoxical combination of continuity and discontinuity, directedness and non-directedness.</p>
<p>I must stop, but lastly, the use of the word &#8216;ahistorical&#8217; is lovely! This of course is extremely rich in temporal implication! Can a present moment be without history? Is Feldman in fact (as the above comment says) &#8220;extremely historically aware and he is making an ironic statement on the futility of a prescribed form &#8230;&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;m convinced of this &#8230; although he is certainly employing a &#8216;non-prescribed form.&#8217;</p>
<p>Nice post!</p>
<p>p.s. Does anyone know of any articles/writings that relate Feldman and Stockhausen?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Vlasak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Vlasak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps it was a statement on the fleeting nature &lt;I&gt;of&lt;/I&gt; the present.  Isn&#039;t that the cool thing about Feldman: the fact that he doesn&#039;t necessarily repeat himself, but rather, he changes the context in which we hear an object -- just as when we ask someone to repeat a phrase to us that perhaps we didn&#039;t hear correctly the first time, it&#039;s different because the context in which it is repeated has changed.

I would contend that, viewing his work in this light, Feldman is actually extremely &lt;I&gt;historically&lt;/I&gt; aware and he is making an ironic statement on the futility of a prescribed form that perhaps Mahler or Beethoven would have used.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it was a statement on the fleeting nature <i>of</i> the present.  Isn&#8217;t that the cool thing about Feldman: the fact that he doesn&#8217;t necessarily repeat himself, but rather, he changes the context in which we hear an object &#8212; just as when we ask someone to repeat a phrase to us that perhaps we didn&#8217;t hear correctly the first time, it&#8217;s different because the context in which it is repeated has changed.</p>
<p>I would contend that, viewing his work in this light, Feldman is actually extremely <i>historically</i> aware and he is making an ironic statement on the futility of a prescribed form that perhaps Mahler or Beethoven would have used.</p>
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