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		<title>By: zeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your additional comments, Christian, and especially for the mention of Hartmann, BA Zimmerman, and Maderna.  I was listening to Maderna a few nights ago.

I would not have posted again, but I disagree with you, respectfully, and feel quite strongly that Britten did in fact accomplish conceptually what he set out to do in contrasting Wilfrid Owen’s poetry with the Latin Mass for the Dead.
I’m wondering how others feel.

This is quite a sensitive subject for me.

We performed the work my senior year at Berkeley High School (using young professional soloists for the three leading roles, but otherwise student orchestra, chamber orchestra, and chorus).  It was a powerful experience for all of us.  The art department made slides of the bi-lingual text and of B &amp; W engravings by Otto Dix and others which were projected as a diptych above the chorus.

That September my youth orchestra visited Berlin and Mainz for two weeks before I began college.

At college, I was interviewed by the composition/theory professor (a Babbitt student)  to determine placement in the three-year theory cycle (which was heavy on Schenker),  and I recall that when I mentioned then that I had performed in the War Requiem the professor said that – ah, yes, that that was an interesting work but a problematic work.  I can’t clearly recall now whether he said “deep problematic” or not.  His comment stayed with me for the next three years – and beyond – and colored my impression of academia.  I recall spending hours listening to LPs  in the library – such as the Penderecki’s Dies Irae – trying to locate what that professor thought was lacking from the Britten work (which was, of course, written for a specific public occasion).  (By the way, Gorecki also began an Oświęcim/Auschwitz tribute in the 1960s, but was unable to complete it for personal reasons).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your additional comments, Christian, and especially for the mention of Hartmann, BA Zimmerman, and Maderna.  I was listening to Maderna a few nights ago.</p>
<p>I would not have posted again, but I disagree with you, respectfully, and feel quite strongly that Britten did in fact accomplish conceptually what he set out to do in contrasting Wilfrid Owen’s poetry with the Latin Mass for the Dead.<br />
I’m wondering how others feel.</p>
<p>This is quite a sensitive subject for me.</p>
<p>We performed the work my senior year at Berkeley High School (using young professional soloists for the three leading roles, but otherwise student orchestra, chamber orchestra, and chorus).  It was a powerful experience for all of us.  The art department made slides of the bi-lingual text and of B &amp; W engravings by Otto Dix and others which were projected as a diptych above the chorus.</p>
<p>That September my youth orchestra visited Berlin and Mainz for two weeks before I began college.</p>
<p>At college, I was interviewed by the composition/theory professor (a Babbitt student)  to determine placement in the three-year theory cycle (which was heavy on Schenker),  and I recall that when I mentioned then that I had performed in the War Requiem the professor said that – ah, yes, that that was an interesting work but a problematic work.  I can’t clearly recall now whether he said “deep problematic” or not.  His comment stayed with me for the next three years – and beyond – and colored my impression of academia.  I recall spending hours listening to LPs  in the library – such as the Penderecki’s Dies Irae – trying to locate what that professor thought was lacking from the Britten work (which was, of course, written for a specific public occasion).  (By the way, Gorecki also began an Oświęcim/Auschwitz tribute in the 1960s, but was unable to complete it for personal reasons).</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Hertzog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Hertzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 07:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thoughtful comments here. I&#039;d forgotten Penderecki&#039;s Dies Irae. Britten&#039;s War Requiem, like many of Britten&#039;s later works, has moments of great beauty surrounded by, to my ears, completely unmemorable music. Conceptually, War Requiem had the potential to be one of the greatest 20th-century works, but I don&#039;t think Britten accomplished what he set out to do in contrasting Wilfrid Owen&#039;s poetry with the Latin Mass for the Dead.  My two cents.

Shostakovich wrote his 8th Quartet in Dresden while writing film music for a film about the fire bombing of Dresden, but it&#039;s really more about his own life: all the self-quotations in the work, and the insistent use of D-S-C-H.

I probably should have mentioned Hartmann, who wrote politically subversive music (and an opera) during the Nazi years. In his Grove article on Hartmann, Andrew McCredie writes, &quot;Works condemned by Joseph Goebbels in official statements outlining the Nazi aesthetic became sources for musical quotation. Other materials were derived from Hebraic incantation and folk music.&quot; 

Composers who fought in WWII: the most notorious activist was probably Xenakis, a resistance fighter against the Germans, and later, when the British re-established the Greek monarchy, against the Brits.  That&#039;s where he got that facial scar. Messiaen wound up in the camp at Gorlitz where he composed Quartet for the End of Time after being captured as a prisoner of war. Lutoslawski was in the radio corps for the Polish army. B.A. Zimmermann was drafted into the Wehrmacht. Maderna fought for Italy, but later joined the resistance. Ross Lee Finney was an OSS member.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thoughtful comments here. I&#8217;d forgotten Penderecki&#8217;s Dies Irae. Britten&#8217;s War Requiem, like many of Britten&#8217;s later works, has moments of great beauty surrounded by, to my ears, completely unmemorable music. Conceptually, War Requiem had the potential to be one of the greatest 20th-century works, but I don&#8217;t think Britten accomplished what he set out to do in contrasting Wilfrid Owen&#8217;s poetry with the Latin Mass for the Dead.  My two cents.</p>
<p>Shostakovich wrote his 8th Quartet in Dresden while writing film music for a film about the fire bombing of Dresden, but it&#8217;s really more about his own life: all the self-quotations in the work, and the insistent use of D-S-C-H.</p>
<p>I probably should have mentioned Hartmann, who wrote politically subversive music (and an opera) during the Nazi years. In his Grove article on Hartmann, Andrew McCredie writes, &#8220;Works condemned by Joseph Goebbels in official statements outlining the Nazi aesthetic became sources for musical quotation. Other materials were derived from Hebraic incantation and folk music.&#8221; </p>
<p>Composers who fought in WWII: the most notorious activist was probably Xenakis, a resistance fighter against the Germans, and later, when the British re-established the Greek monarchy, against the Brits.  That&#8217;s where he got that facial scar. Messiaen wound up in the camp at Gorlitz where he composed Quartet for the End of Time after being captured as a prisoner of war. Lutoslawski was in the radio corps for the Polish army. B.A. Zimmermann was drafted into the Wehrmacht. Maderna fought for Italy, but later joined the resistance. Ross Lee Finney was an OSS member.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H. Muller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul H. Muller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you need some distance from an event as cataclysmic as WWII to provide the perspective.  &#039;War Requiem&#039; by Britten is probably the most powerful anti-war piece of music I have ever heard, mostly on the strength of the text by Wilfred Owen.   

But the piece that nails it for me is Górecki&#039;s 3d Symphony.  I know, just the second movement takes its text from WWII, but it is the only piece of music I know that provides pathos on the scale of the event itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you need some distance from an event as cataclysmic as WWII to provide the perspective.  &#8216;War Requiem&#8217; by Britten is probably the most powerful anti-war piece of music I have ever heard, mostly on the strength of the text by Wilfred Owen.   </p>
<p>But the piece that nails it for me is Górecki&#8217;s 3d Symphony.  I know, just the second movement takes its text from WWII, but it is the only piece of music I know that provides pathos on the scale of the event itself.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Different Trains&quot; is one of my favorite pieces of music of all time. When heard while reading the text, it is a very powerful piece of music. I shared it with a friend of mine once, and for a while she couldn&#039;t hear a train without nearly crying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Different Trains&#8221; is one of my favorite pieces of music of all time. When heard while reading the text, it is a very powerful piece of music. I shared it with a friend of mine once, and for a while she couldn&#8217;t hear a train without nearly crying.</p>
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		<title>By: zeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From 1942 until 1946, the late Andrew Imbrie served in the U.S. Army Signal Corps as a second lieutenant and as a cryptanalytic translator from the Japanese.

Vladimir Ussachevsky worked for the Office of Strategic Services (now CIA) and for the U.S. State Department as an analyst of Russian and Chinese.

Milton Babbitt commuted between Princeton and Washington, D.C. during 1943 to 1945 doing research in mathematics useful to the Office of Strategic Services (now CIA).

During the Second World War, Edwar T. Cone served first in the army (as a pianist) and later in the Office of Strategic Services (now CIA).

The names of all OSS personnel and documents of their OSS service, previously a closely guarded secret, were released by the US National Archives on August 14, 2008.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From 1942 until 1946, the late Andrew Imbrie served in the U.S. Army Signal Corps as a second lieutenant and as a cryptanalytic translator from the Japanese.</p>
<p>Vladimir Ussachevsky worked for the Office of Strategic Services (now CIA) and for the U.S. State Department as an analyst of Russian and Chinese.</p>
<p>Milton Babbitt commuted between Princeton and Washington, D.C. during 1943 to 1945 doing research in mathematics useful to the Office of Strategic Services (now CIA).</p>
<p>During the Second World War, Edwar T. Cone served first in the army (as a pianist) and later in the Office of Strategic Services (now CIA).</p>
<p>The names of all OSS personnel and documents of their OSS service, previously a closely guarded secret, were released by the US National Archives on August 14, 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Layton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Layton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Answers.com has a summary of music, war and the military, here

http://www.answers.com/topic/war-and-the-military-in-music

The relevant passage:

Many composers dedicated these works to the war effort. Morton Gould dedicated his Symphony No. 1 (1943) to his three brothers in the service and to their fellow fighters; Marc Blitzstein wrote Freedom Morning (1943) for the black troops of the U.S. Army; Paul Hindemith dedicated his When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloom’d: A Requiem for Those We Love (1946) to the memory of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and to the American soldiers killed during World War II; Dai Keong Lee offered his Pacific Prayer (1943) to the fighting men in the Pacific; and Roy Harris originally dedicated his Fifth Symphony (1942) to the USSR  before later removing the dedication.

Other composers wrote laments for the soldiers who had died: Bernard Herrmann&#039;s For the Fallen (1943); Douglas Moore&#039;s In Memoriam (1943); and William Grant Still&#039;s In Memoriam: The Colored Soldiers Who Died for Democracy (1943). [...] Some of the most intense works deal with the Holocaust. Both Part III: Night  of Morton Subotnick&#039;s Jacob&#039;s Room (1985–86) and the second movement of Steve Reich&#039;s Different Trains (1988) tragically depict a train journey to the concentration camps. Lukas Foss wrote an Elegy for Anne Frank (1989), which he later incorporated into his Symphony No. 3 (Symphony of Sorrows) (1991). Morton Gould extracted a Holocaust Suite (1978) from his music for a television docudrama  about the Holocaust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answers.com has a summary of music, war and the military, here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/war-and-the-military-in-music" rel="nofollow">http://www.answers.com/topic/war-and-the-military-in-music</a></p>
<p>The relevant passage:</p>
<p>Many composers dedicated these works to the war effort. Morton Gould dedicated his Symphony No. 1 (1943) to his three brothers in the service and to their fellow fighters; Marc Blitzstein wrote Freedom Morning (1943) for the black troops of the U.S. Army; Paul Hindemith dedicated his When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloom’d: A Requiem for Those We Love (1946) to the memory of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and to the American soldiers killed during World War II; Dai Keong Lee offered his Pacific Prayer (1943) to the fighting men in the Pacific; and Roy Harris originally dedicated his Fifth Symphony (1942) to the USSR  before later removing the dedication.</p>
<p>Other composers wrote laments for the soldiers who had died: Bernard Herrmann&#8217;s For the Fallen (1943); Douglas Moore&#8217;s In Memoriam (1943); and William Grant Still&#8217;s In Memoriam: The Colored Soldiers Who Died for Democracy (1943). [...] Some of the most intense works deal with the Holocaust. Both Part III: Night  of Morton Subotnick&#8217;s Jacob&#8217;s Room (1985–86) and the second movement of Steve Reich&#8217;s Different Trains (1988) tragically depict a train journey to the concentration camps. Lukas Foss wrote an Elegy for Anne Frank (1989), which he later incorporated into his Symphony No. 3 (Symphony of Sorrows) (1991). Morton Gould extracted a Holocaust Suite (1978) from his music for a television docudrama  about the Holocaust.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio Celaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio Celaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that Rochberg was rather seriously injured during a battle in Italy.  I&#039;m certain that he is but one of many composers who were in WWII.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Rochberg was rather seriously injured during a battle in Italy.  I&#8217;m certain that he is but one of many composers who were in WWII.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Holbrooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Holbrooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your post got me thinking: any well know composers serve in WWII?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post got me thinking: any well know composers serve in WWII?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Layton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Layton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And in a slightly more popular but still orchestral vein, what home in the 1950s didn&#039;t have a copy of Richard Rodgers and Robert Russell Bennett&#039;s music to &quot;Victory at Sea&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in a slightly more popular but still orchestral vein, what home in the 1950s didn&#8217;t have a copy of Richard Rodgers and Robert Russell Bennett&#8217;s music to &#8220;Victory at Sea&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Layton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Layton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure there were a lot of American works of the 1940s that addressed the war, for better or worse. Blitzstein&#039;s &quot;Airborne&quot; Symphony, Copland&#039;s &quot;Fanfare for the Common Man&quot;, Antheil&#039;s 4th Symphony... Of course there&#039;s also Shostakovich&#039;s 7th, and both Stravinsky&#039;s &quot;Norwegian Moods&quot; and parts of the &quot;Symphony in Three Movements&quot; derive from music to evoke WWII scenes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there were a lot of American works of the 1940s that addressed the war, for better or worse. Blitzstein&#8217;s &#8220;Airborne&#8221; Symphony, Copland&#8217;s &#8220;Fanfare for the Common Man&#8221;, Antheil&#8217;s 4th Symphony&#8230; Of course there&#8217;s also Shostakovich&#8217;s 7th, and both Stravinsky&#8217;s &#8220;Norwegian Moods&#8221; and parts of the &#8220;Symphony in Three Movements&#8221; derive from music to evoke WWII scenes.</p>
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