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		<title>By: Jock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just on the no-standing-ovation thing, it&#039;s very very rare for anyone to get a standing ovation in Australia for anything. Especially in Melbourne. So I wouldn&#039;t read too much into that. (Doesn&#039;t really change the point of the article, I agree).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just on the no-standing-ovation thing, it&#8217;s very very rare for anyone to get a standing ovation in Australia for anything. Especially in Melbourne. So I wouldn&#8217;t read too much into that. (Doesn&#8217;t really change the point of the article, I agree).</p>
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		<title>By: zeno</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From my perspective, I generally agree with the above comments.  I recall fellow high school mates – my betters -- performing the Dvorak, Elgar, and Bloch cello concertos (and the Beethoven, Saint-Saens, and Barber violin concertos), but not the Prokofiev Symphony Concertante or the Shostakovich concertos.   I wish that we had performed them.  (Our high school orchestra and chorus did perform the Britten War Requiem within ten years of its premiere.)   Several of those mates went on to become members of the San Francisco Symphony, the Vienna Philharmonic, the Munich Philharmonic, or leading regional orchestral conductors, or star vocal soloists (Lorraine Hunt Lieberson).

It is the Pablo Casals comment I find a bit jarring.  I think that raw musical charisma (if not simple “musicality”) still trumps note perfect technique, as witnessed by some current young (or older) conductors who are not note or baton perfect.   Also, while I was never an audiophile or young connoisseur, the note perfect Jascha Heifetz never warmed my imagination (as it did some of my peers and elders) as did the less perfectly in-tune playing of Pablo Casals and Henryk Szeryng.  David Oistrakh, who I do believe was always note-perfect, warmed my imagination the most. (I heard him in West Berlin and almost heard him in Vienna three months before his death). Rostropovich, in a messier way, warmed my imagination as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my perspective, I generally agree with the above comments.  I recall fellow high school mates – my betters &#8212; performing the Dvorak, Elgar, and Bloch cello concertos (and the Beethoven, Saint-Saens, and Barber violin concertos), but not the Prokofiev Symphony Concertante or the Shostakovich concertos.   I wish that we had performed them.  (Our high school orchestra and chorus did perform the Britten War Requiem within ten years of its premiere.)   Several of those mates went on to become members of the San Francisco Symphony, the Vienna Philharmonic, the Munich Philharmonic, or leading regional orchestral conductors, or star vocal soloists (Lorraine Hunt Lieberson).</p>
<p>It is the Pablo Casals comment I find a bit jarring.  I think that raw musical charisma (if not simple “musicality”) still trumps note perfect technique, as witnessed by some current young (or older) conductors who are not note or baton perfect.   Also, while I was never an audiophile or young connoisseur, the note perfect Jascha Heifetz never warmed my imagination (as it did some of my peers and elders) as did the less perfectly in-tune playing of Pablo Casals and Henryk Szeryng.  David Oistrakh, who I do believe was always note-perfect, warmed my imagination the most. (I heard him in West Berlin and almost heard him in Vienna three months before his death). Rostropovich, in a messier way, warmed my imagination as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Howard Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Howard Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 00:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think he nailed it, too.  This is true throughout music history: the Rite of Spring is now played by youth orchestras; college kids play the opening cadenzas of the Corigliano Clarinet Concerto, which Stanley Drucker (the commissioner) once called &quot;unplayable&quot;; Michael Gordon&#039;s split-triplet rhythms in &quot;Yo Shakespeare, &quot;Trance,&quot; and other pieces used to completely wall off his music from whole communities of performers, and now those pieces are played by 20-somethings at Banglewood with only a couple of rehearsals.  I&#039;m sure there are plenty more examples, too. Those were just the ones that came immediately to mind.

I think one possible takeaway lesson from this is that, for performers as much as for composers, difficulty is not sufficient, in and of itself, to make a piece &quot;work.&quot;  There has to be something else to the music, beyond virtuosity, because what&#039;s a nearly insurmountable technical hurdle today will be private lesson-fodder for conservatory students tomorrow.  And once the sheen of technical prowess has worn off, what&#039;s left?  

Basically, it&#039;s still possible to pull off a thrilling performance of, say, the Ravel Piano Concerto in G, which I saw played by the NY Youth Symphony (all players were under the age of 22).  The soloist was, I think, 10 years old.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he nailed it, too.  This is true throughout music history: the Rite of Spring is now played by youth orchestras; college kids play the opening cadenzas of the Corigliano Clarinet Concerto, which Stanley Drucker (the commissioner) once called &#8220;unplayable&#8221;; Michael Gordon&#8217;s split-triplet rhythms in &#8220;Yo Shakespeare, &#8220;Trance,&#8221; and other pieces used to completely wall off his music from whole communities of performers, and now those pieces are played by 20-somethings at Banglewood with only a couple of rehearsals.  I&#8217;m sure there are plenty more examples, too. Those were just the ones that came immediately to mind.</p>
<p>I think one possible takeaway lesson from this is that, for performers as much as for composers, difficulty is not sufficient, in and of itself, to make a piece &#8220;work.&#8221;  There has to be something else to the music, beyond virtuosity, because what&#8217;s a nearly insurmountable technical hurdle today will be private lesson-fodder for conservatory students tomorrow.  And once the sheen of technical prowess has worn off, what&#8217;s left?  </p>
<p>Basically, it&#8217;s still possible to pull off a thrilling performance of, say, the Ravel Piano Concerto in G, which I saw played by the NY Youth Symphony (all players were under the age of 22).  The soloist was, I think, 10 years old.</p>
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