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		<title>By: Robert Bonotto</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/forum/2008/06/not-your-grandfathers-copyright/comment-page-2/#comment-22551</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bonotto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting back to publishing for a moment: two years ago I wrote a 75,000 word novel, a comic murder-mystery about orchestras called &quot;The Baton Rouge.&quot; It&#039;s been read by some 50-plus folks, including three publishers, one of which held on to it for quite a while. (It turns out a junior editor was interested in it; the senior editor nixed it, saying &quot;Novels about high culture don&#039;t sell.&quot; End of story.) But I sent the novel around to conductors when I sent my music --it centers on the murder a famous, vitriolic, sexist conductor-- and the end result of one of the readings was that  a) the conductor of a small orchestra asked to see my music after reading the novel (she said she read half of it while waiting at the DMV) and then commissioned my Flute Concerto; b) a violist asked for (and got) a piece for flute, 10 violas, and double-bass after reading the novel. So. Your fiction *may* be used as bait.  Jeff, you might be interested in joining (in digest format) the Dorothy-L listserv -- mainly about mystery writing; but there&#039;s a lot of Preditors &amp; Editors&quot; with a list of who to *stay* away from.Best of luck, Robert Bonotto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to publishing for a moment: two years ago I wrote a 75,000 word novel, a comic murder-mystery about orchestras called &#8220;The Baton Rouge.&#8221; It&#8217;s been read by some 50-plus folks, including three publishers, one of which held on to it for quite a while. (It turns out a junior editor was interested in it; the senior editor nixed it, saying &#8220;Novels about high culture don&#8217;t sell.&#8221; End of story.) But I sent the novel around to conductors when I sent my music &#8211;it centers on the murder a famous, vitriolic, sexist conductor&#8211; and the end result of one of the readings was that  a) the conductor of a small orchestra asked to see my music after reading the novel (she said she read half of it while waiting at the DMV) and then commissioned my Flute Concerto; b) a violist asked for (and got) a piece for flute, 10 violas, and double-bass after reading the novel. So. Your fiction *may* be used as bait.  Jeff, you might be interested in joining (in digest format) the Dorothy-L listserv &#8212; mainly about mystery writing; but there&#8217;s a lot of Preditors &amp; Editors&#8221; with a list of who to *stay* away from.Best of luck, Robert Bonotto</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/forum/2008/06/not-your-grandfathers-copyright/comment-page-2/#comment-22549</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha... nice!  Can&#039;t wait!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230; nice!  Can&#8217;t wait!</p>
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		<title>By: J.C. Combs</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/forum/2008/06/not-your-grandfathers-copyright/comment-page-2/#comment-22548</link>
		<dc:creator>J.C. Combs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The topic just expanded a bit, yet I still believe in maintaining integrity of the value of art.  Regarding the rest, I&#039;m more worried about humanity surviving than my music.  I will keep a box of CDs of  Jeff&#039;s, Steve&#039;s and my own works and bury them in my basement with a little tracking device, a beacon.  When Philip K. Dick arrives on the scene escorted by ET, they not only will find our music, they will bring us back to life due to my quick thinking of adding hair samples with the CDs.  And you guys thought I was crazy for asking for a lock of your hair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The topic just expanded a bit, yet I still believe in maintaining integrity of the value of art.  Regarding the rest, I&#8217;m more worried about humanity surviving than my music.  I will keep a box of CDs of  Jeff&#8217;s, Steve&#8217;s and my own works and bury them in my basement with a little tracking device, a beacon.  When Philip K. Dick arrives on the scene escorted by ET, they not only will find our music, they will bring us back to life due to my quick thinking of adding hair samples with the CDs.  And you guys thought I was crazy for asking for a lock of your hair.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Layton</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/forum/2008/06/not-your-grandfathers-copyright/comment-page-2/#comment-22547</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Layton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff wrote: &lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m very worried about preserving my art as I have no heirs. I want my pdfâ€™s, my mp3â€™s, everything to be on as many computers as possible before I die. &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll second that, Jeff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff wrote: <i>Iâ€™m very worried about preserving my art as I have no heirs. I want my pdfâ€™s, my mp3â€™s, everything to be on as many computers as possible before I die. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll second that, Jeff.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff harrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would hope that my music ends up archived in every possible way.  Digital music is so much more fragile than analog music.  It&#039;s quite possible that the only surviving copy of one of my albums might be in some New Guinea teenager&#039;s 10TB collection of Complete Everything 1950-2010.  

I&#039;m very worried about preserving my art as I have no heirs.  I want my pdf&#039;s, my mp3&#039;s, everything to be on as many computers as possible before I die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hope that my music ends up archived in every possible way.  Digital music is so much more fragile than analog music.  It&#8217;s quite possible that the only surviving copy of one of my albums might be in some New Guinea teenager&#8217;s 10TB collection of Complete Everything 1950-2010.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very worried about preserving my art as I have no heirs.  I want my pdf&#8217;s, my mp3&#8242;s, everything to be on as many computers as possible before I die.</p>
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		<title>By: J.C. Combs</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/forum/2008/06/not-your-grandfathers-copyright/comment-page-2/#comment-22545</link>
		<dc:creator>J.C. Combs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note:  I mean, obviously your music would become available once purchased, but just in the loop immediately free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note:  I mean, obviously your music would become available once purchased, but just in the loop immediately free.</p>
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		<title>By: J.C. Combs</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/forum/2008/06/not-your-grandfathers-copyright/comment-page-2/#comment-22544</link>
		<dc:creator>J.C. Combs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I would agree re: competition in part, but you don&#039;t mention anything about the free streaming process.  These are visitors to your site? (perhaps you feel they need to DL to their system for repeated listens in order to gain interest which makes sense).  

As that article guestimates, 10 years or so until we can purchase all music (posted in one form or another) and carry it around in a cheap gadget.  Shouldn&#039;t the goal be to keep your music out of that loop as a composer of art music?  It would seem that the music not available would become more intriguing down the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I would agree re: competition in part, but you don&#8217;t mention anything about the free streaming process.  These are visitors to your site? (perhaps you feel they need to DL to their system for repeated listens in order to gain interest which makes sense).  </p>
<p>As that article guestimates, 10 years or so until we can purchase all music (posted in one form or another) and carry it around in a cheap gadget.  Shouldn&#8217;t the goal be to keep your music out of that loop as a composer of art music?  It would seem that the music not available would become more intriguing down the line.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff harrington</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/forum/2008/06/not-your-grandfathers-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-22543</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, the main thing is the way the web works.  As a web programmer, you&#039;re aware of how people click.  When a performer comes to my site - maybe they got there from a google search - they see a name they&#039;re unfamiliar with and you&#039;ve got basically 30-60 seconds to get their attention.  

Having them go through the payment process impedes the &#039;perusal&#039; process, IMO.  Every recording I have by live performers that is high quality is also needed to play a role as a immediately listenable experience.  

I&#039;ve tried most of these pay for DL services.  I had BitPass for a while.  Immediately, my downloads fell off the map for those MP3&#039;s.  And some of them may have been performers looking for new repertoire.   

The thing is, it&#039;s all new country here and we&#039;re all trying new things.  All I know is that the number of performances I get are going up.  Because of that I&#039;m sticking with what I&#039;m doing.  If it hurts somebody else, too bad.  Let them compete with me, like I have to compete with the academics.  Like I said before, I need every advantage I can get my hands on. 

The other thing that people have told me is that my writing pieces for performers for $0 - free commissions - is also helping destroy the new music marketplace.  But I&#039;m not getting enough opportunities to turn down commissions or debate with the performers that I should get paid.  I don&#039;t know how many times I&#039;ve been told that.  And I always laugh...  It&#039;s not selfish, it&#039;s competition.  They&#039;ve told me that giving away my PDF&#039;s is hurting the new music marketplace too!  FWIW, I heard Rzewski say at a pre-concert interview (with Kyle) last year that people should give away their scores online.  Although he insisted adamantly that people should sell their recordings.  He&#039;s a good capitalist it seems.  I&#039;m not.  

These same people who have criticized me to my face about that and the downloads, are the same people who do not recommend me to their university groups, do not recommend me to orchestra music directors they know - because I&#039;m not in the academic up and coming network.

My outsider status forces me to do this.  And I&#039;ll repeat what I&#039;ve said a zillion times... I&#039;d rather have 10,000 listens a month and $0 then 800 listens a month and $20.  And I&#039;d rather have 30 performances a year and $0 then 3 and $600.00.  It&#039;s just economics for me and my understanding of how quickly web visitors click.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, the main thing is the way the web works.  As a web programmer, you&#8217;re aware of how people click.  When a performer comes to my site &#8211; maybe they got there from a google search &#8211; they see a name they&#8217;re unfamiliar with and you&#8217;ve got basically 30-60 seconds to get their attention.  </p>
<p>Having them go through the payment process impedes the &#8216;perusal&#8217; process, IMO.  Every recording I have by live performers that is high quality is also needed to play a role as a immediately listenable experience.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried most of these pay for DL services.  I had BitPass for a while.  Immediately, my downloads fell off the map for those MP3&#8242;s.  And some of them may have been performers looking for new repertoire.   </p>
<p>The thing is, it&#8217;s all new country here and we&#8217;re all trying new things.  All I know is that the number of performances I get are going up.  Because of that I&#8217;m sticking with what I&#8217;m doing.  If it hurts somebody else, too bad.  Let them compete with me, like I have to compete with the academics.  Like I said before, I need every advantage I can get my hands on. </p>
<p>The other thing that people have told me is that my writing pieces for performers for $0 &#8211; free commissions &#8211; is also helping destroy the new music marketplace.  But I&#8217;m not getting enough opportunities to turn down commissions or debate with the performers that I should get paid.  I don&#8217;t know how many times I&#8217;ve been told that.  And I always laugh&#8230;  It&#8217;s not selfish, it&#8217;s competition.  They&#8217;ve told me that giving away my PDF&#8217;s is hurting the new music marketplace too!  FWIW, I heard Rzewski say at a pre-concert interview (with Kyle) last year that people should give away their scores online.  Although he insisted adamantly that people should sell their recordings.  He&#8217;s a good capitalist it seems.  I&#8217;m not.  </p>
<p>These same people who have criticized me to my face about that and the downloads, are the same people who do not recommend me to their university groups, do not recommend me to orchestra music directors they know &#8211; because I&#8217;m not in the academic up and coming network.</p>
<p>My outsider status forces me to do this.  And I&#8217;ll repeat what I&#8217;ve said a zillion times&#8230; I&#8217;d rather have 10,000 listens a month and $0 then 800 listens a month and $20.  And I&#8217;d rather have 30 performances a year and $0 then 3 and $600.00.  It&#8217;s just economics for me and my understanding of how quickly web visitors click.</p>
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		<title>By: J.C. Combs</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenza21.com/forum/2008/06/not-your-grandfathers-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-22542</link>
		<dc:creator>J.C. Combs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

I have no issue with posting free DLs of sample music, which you intend on having performed (even if it is a whole work).  The majority of your repertoire of music, that should be sold.  If you consider a work to be of a high quality, then why not package it, stream it, and sell it via DLs.  Or just sell it online.  

If someone wants the convenience of listening to your works on their iPod..., they should pay the 99 cents due or otherwise pay you a visit at your website everytime for free streaming.  I don&#039;t see how that would affect the amount of times your works are performed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I have no issue with posting free DLs of sample music, which you intend on having performed (even if it is a whole work).  The majority of your repertoire of music, that should be sold.  If you consider a work to be of a high quality, then why not package it, stream it, and sell it via DLs.  Or just sell it online.  </p>
<p>If someone wants the convenience of listening to your works on their iPod&#8230;, they should pay the 99 cents due or otherwise pay you a visit at your website everytime for free streaming.  I don&#8217;t see how that would affect the amount of times your works are performed.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff harrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, my only disagreement is that I have enough barriers between me and those ears out there without putting a monetary barrier up too.  I&#039;ve got academic networks, being discounted because I don&#039;t teach, being discounted because I release MIDI realizations, being discounted because I have tunes and beats in my music, being discounted because I don&#039;t have a performance record like the superstars.  

I just want to get heard.  I&#039;d prefer making some money.  I&#039;m already discounted, why not give it away for free?  :)

FWIW, I&#039;ve been told many many times by big names and small names that I&#039;m hurting the new music scene by giving my music away.  I&#039;m creating a deflationary cycle which will inevitably cause irreparable harm to new music.  My response is always the same.  WHAT ELSE CAN I DO BUT GIVE IT AWAY?   The new music world refuses to accept non-affiliated composers in any significant way.  

I would have nothing if I didn&#039;t.  I would have 0 performances a year instead of my regular 20-50 a year.  What else can I do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, my only disagreement is that I have enough barriers between me and those ears out there without putting a monetary barrier up too.  I&#8217;ve got academic networks, being discounted because I don&#8217;t teach, being discounted because I release MIDI realizations, being discounted because I have tunes and beats in my music, being discounted because I don&#8217;t have a performance record like the superstars.  </p>
<p>I just want to get heard.  I&#8217;d prefer making some money.  I&#8217;m already discounted, why not give it away for free?  :)</p>
<p>FWIW, I&#8217;ve been told many many times by big names and small names that I&#8217;m hurting the new music scene by giving my music away.  I&#8217;m creating a deflationary cycle which will inevitably cause irreparable harm to new music.  My response is always the same.  WHAT ELSE CAN I DO BUT GIVE IT AWAY?   The new music world refuses to accept non-affiliated composers in any significant way.  </p>
<p>I would have nothing if I didn&#8217;t.  I would have 0 performances a year instead of my regular 20-50 a year.  What else can I do?</p>
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