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		<title>Comment on What is the Best Practice for Archiving of Music Realized Electronically? by Dennis Bathory-Kitsz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Bathory-Kitsz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am getting more optimistic about this question.

A few years ago I was despairing, particularly about software that would no longer run. But now I think we&#039;re in a transitional period. Emulators are appearing in languages that can be updated. Old hardware is decreasingly significant with the extensive level of emulation becoming available. Music programs that I wrote 30-plus years ago are running again under emulation, and are spread around among many people who have been interested in them. With smarter computer technology, whole classes of computers (including short-lived ones of the 1980s) will be emulated and that emulation moved upward through developing technologies. That means the chances of a composer&#039;s work in electronic form will survive somewhere to be discovered like old Bach.

Yes, a lot of work will be lost while we are waiting, especially if the source materials themselves have become corrupt. And a lot will be lost by those who are not interested in archiving, or who are careless -- a fact that continues to amaze me. I hear a lot of &quot;I&#039;m more interested in my next composition, not my last one.&quot;

But artwork is always lost -- even physical objects that surprise us. Artists who worked in plastics 50 years ago are seeing their work yellow, fracture and powder. Museums are engaging in massive restoration campaigns for recent artwork that match their efforts to recover Renaissance murals.

Here are 10-year-old and 5-year-old articles I wrote that cover the situation then. It&#039;s amazing how much progress has been made in so little time:
http://www.maltedmedia.com/books/papers/sl-archv.html
http://cec.sonus.ca/education/archive/10_x/bathorykitsz_preservation.html

Dennis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting more optimistic about this question.</p>
<p>A few years ago I was despairing, particularly about software that would no longer run. But now I think we&#8217;re in a transitional period. Emulators are appearing in languages that can be updated. Old hardware is decreasingly significant with the extensive level of emulation becoming available. Music programs that I wrote 30-plus years ago are running again under emulation, and are spread around among many people who have been interested in them. With smarter computer technology, whole classes of computers (including short-lived ones of the 1980s) will be emulated and that emulation moved upward through developing technologies. That means the chances of a composer&#8217;s work in electronic form will survive somewhere to be discovered like old Bach.</p>
<p>Yes, a lot of work will be lost while we are waiting, especially if the source materials themselves have become corrupt. And a lot will be lost by those who are not interested in archiving, or who are careless &#8212; a fact that continues to amaze me. I hear a lot of &#8220;I&#8217;m more interested in my next composition, not my last one.&#8221;</p>
<p>But artwork is always lost &#8212; even physical objects that surprise us. Artists who worked in plastics 50 years ago are seeing their work yellow, fracture and powder. Museums are engaging in massive restoration campaigns for recent artwork that match their efforts to recover Renaissance murals.</p>
<p>Here are 10-year-old and 5-year-old articles I wrote that cover the situation then. It&#8217;s amazing how much progress has been made in so little time:<br />
<a href="http://www.maltedmedia.com/books/papers/sl-archv.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.maltedmedia.com/books/papers/sl-archv.html</a><br />
<a href="http://cec.sonus.ca/education/archive/10_x/bathorykitsz_preservation.html" rel="nofollow">http://cec.sonus.ca/education/archive/10_x/bathorykitsz_preservation.html</a></p>
<p>Dennis</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is the Best Practice for Archiving of Music Realized Electronically? by Kala Pierson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kala Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like you already know the answer: multiple copies of anything you care about.  

I&#039;d definitely suggest updating your local backup drive more often than twice a year.  Have at least 3 current copies of anything you care about (right now you only have 2, unless you&#039;ve got more than 1 copy in cloud storage).

Good question for everybody to ask: &quot;If my main computer disappeared today, what would be the MOST RECENT existing copy of the files I&#039;m working on?&quot;  Preventing lost work (and work hours) in the future is worth some thinking now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you already know the answer: multiple copies of anything you care about.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d definitely suggest updating your local backup drive more often than twice a year.  Have at least 3 current copies of anything you care about (right now you only have 2, unless you&#8217;ve got more than 1 copy in cloud storage).</p>
<p>Good question for everybody to ask: &#8220;If my main computer disappeared today, what would be the MOST RECENT existing copy of the files I&#8217;m working on?&#8221;  Preventing lost work (and work hours) in the future is worth some thinking now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on To what extent does your mental state inform your music? by Paul H. Muller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul H. Muller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think a mildly optimistic outlook is best.  I want to be able to evaluate what I am writing from a neutral standpoint - to be as objective as possible.  If I was depressed I think i would lose that objectivity.  I like to think my reaction to what I am composing informs how I proceed.  I do agree that depression will color any creative activity but that this may generate mixed results.  And I sympathize with anyone struggling with this - but I don&#039;t see it as a useful influence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a mildly optimistic outlook is best.  I want to be able to evaluate what I am writing from a neutral standpoint &#8211; to be as objective as possible.  If I was depressed I think i would lose that objectivity.  I like to think my reaction to what I am composing informs how I proceed.  I do agree that depression will color any creative activity but that this may generate mixed results.  And I sympathize with anyone struggling with this &#8211; but I don&#8217;t see it as a useful influence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on To what extent does your mental state inform your music? by Christian Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much as I respect his work as a composer, I was upset by Keeril Makan&#039;s post on the NY Times&#039; Score blog today. 


I&#039;m not sure I buy Keeril&#039;s suggestion that all composers battling with depression fear how it will impact their work if they are treated. In my discussion with creatives, I&#039;ve come to learn that when you are in the grips of a major depressive episode, you may not be able to work at all. Indeed, those I know who are really dealing with depression don&#039;t toy with it: they fear it as an unwelcome and unbidden visitor.

The notion that depression (or addiction) is a little seasoning to our creative juices is a pernicious one that has caused a lot of self-inflicted wounds by artists. Going after &quot;dark moments&quot; to spur your creativity, which is what is described in the article, is very different from experiencing brain chemistry gone haywire and completely out of your control. Having worked with blocked composers who deal with severe emotional issues, I can only hope that Mr. Makan doesn&#039;t try and share this tidbit of &quot;method acting&quot; with his students. I also steadfastly reject the notion that composers are inevitably reflecting their emotional life in their music. Some of Mozart&#039;s most joyful works are written from the depths of mourning. It is a romantic notion, but it just doesn&#039;t hold up for everyone. Keeril is free to explore his dark materials, but I&#039;d urge other composers not to feel compelled to &quot;emote all their notes.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as I respect his work as a composer, I was upset by Keeril Makan&#8217;s post on the NY Times&#8217; Score blog today. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I buy Keeril&#8217;s suggestion that all composers battling with depression fear how it will impact their work if they are treated. In my discussion with creatives, I&#8217;ve come to learn that when you are in the grips of a major depressive episode, you may not be able to work at all. Indeed, those I know who are really dealing with depression don&#8217;t toy with it: they fear it as an unwelcome and unbidden visitor.</p>
<p>The notion that depression (or addiction) is a little seasoning to our creative juices is a pernicious one that has caused a lot of self-inflicted wounds by artists. Going after &#8220;dark moments&#8221; to spur your creativity, which is what is described in the article, is very different from experiencing brain chemistry gone haywire and completely out of your control. Having worked with blocked composers who deal with severe emotional issues, I can only hope that Mr. Makan doesn&#8217;t try and share this tidbit of &#8220;method acting&#8221; with his students. I also steadfastly reject the notion that composers are inevitably reflecting their emotional life in their music. Some of Mozart&#8217;s most joyful works are written from the depths of mourning. It is a romantic notion, but it just doesn&#8217;t hold up for everyone. Keeril is free to explore his dark materials, but I&#8217;d urge other composers not to feel compelled to &#8220;emote all their notes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is There Such a Thing as Composing Efficiency ? by Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...new pieces performed each year for even a busy, well-connected composer is likely to be in the single digits.&quot;

Do you mean less than 10 performances a year? 

Any composer with a few friends and even mediocre music writing skills should be able have this happening by the time they are out of their master&#039;s degree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;new pieces performed each year for even a busy, well-connected composer is likely to be in the single digits.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you mean less than 10 performances a year? </p>
<p>Any composer with a few friends and even mediocre music writing skills should be able have this happening by the time they are out of their master&#8217;s degree.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is There Such a Thing as Composing Efficiency ? by Dennis Báthory-Kitsz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Báthory-Kitsz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, the question was about composing efficiency. The soft issues you bring up are the most often discussed among artists in a public forum, whereas hard issues of productivity, efficiency and money tend to be avoided, or swing into diversions about, well, &#039;excitement, attention, and love&#039;. Efficiency and related topics are actually critical to a composer&#039;s day-to-day, don&#039;t you think? How do you deal with efficiency?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, the question was about composing efficiency. The soft issues you bring up are the most often discussed among artists in a public forum, whereas hard issues of productivity, efficiency and money tend to be avoided, or swing into diversions about, well, &#8216;excitement, attention, and love&#8217;. Efficiency and related topics are actually critical to a composer&#8217;s day-to-day, don&#8217;t you think? How do you deal with efficiency?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is There Such a Thing as Composing Efficiency ? by Kevin Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we&#039;re missing the metrics we should really be using: Excitement, attention, and love. Hours spent working is a huge thing, and minutes of music produced, certainly. But while those things are easy to measure in numbers, they don&#039;t bring us very close to any way of aggregating the transformative artistic experiences that we&#039;re trying to create.

Maybe instead of minutes written we should be talking about adding up the enthusiasm for any given collection of music, spread out among the audience. Maybe we&#039;d count someone who had a completely transcendent experience listening to it (whether live or online) a 1, and someone who didn&#039;t even listen to the piece a 0, and rate everything in between, then add that up for the whole audience. That would probably give us a more helpful number to measure &quot;output&quot; than minutes of music or number of pieces. Comparing that number to hours put into writing would probably be more enlightening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re missing the metrics we should really be using: Excitement, attention, and love. Hours spent working is a huge thing, and minutes of music produced, certainly. But while those things are easy to measure in numbers, they don&#8217;t bring us very close to any way of aggregating the transformative artistic experiences that we&#8217;re trying to create.</p>
<p>Maybe instead of minutes written we should be talking about adding up the enthusiasm for any given collection of music, spread out among the audience. Maybe we&#8217;d count someone who had a completely transcendent experience listening to it (whether live or online) a 1, and someone who didn&#8217;t even listen to the piece a 0, and rate everything in between, then add that up for the whole audience. That would probably give us a more helpful number to measure &#8220;output&#8221; than minutes of music or number of pieces. Comparing that number to hours put into writing would probably be more enlightening.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is There Such a Thing as Composing Efficiency ? by greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m enjoying this discussion and thanks for the research Dennis. re &#039;quality&#039; I agree with where Dennis seems to be coming from - the composer is the one to make that determination (for the current discussion anyway). From that point of view, a technology helps composer productivity if they compose more with the same resources and are just as happy with the new compositions as with the old. Maybe even happier, but certainly not less happy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m enjoying this discussion and thanks for the research Dennis. re &#8216;quality&#8217; I agree with where Dennis seems to be coming from &#8211; the composer is the one to make that determination (for the current discussion anyway). From that point of view, a technology helps composer productivity if they compose more with the same resources and are just as happy with the new compositions as with the old. Maybe even happier, but certainly not less happy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is There Such a Thing as Composing Efficiency ? by Dennis Báthory-Kitsz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Báthory-Kitsz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS: It was not a full-time effort. I was still head of the Vermont alliance of country stores, went to the CMA conference in NYC, kept the house warm and the horses fed and the snow shoveled, built steps &amp; railings for the house, consulted on a Linux audio project in California, was official photographer for a week-long chess camp, produced a percussion concert with Michael Manion, spent a month-long residency at Binaural Media in Portugal, engraved an orchestral score for Christian Wolff, attended several premieres of the WAAM pieces, and started the research for my &quot;Country Stores of Vermont&quot; book for The History Press ... and joined Facebook. (And you bet I keep a freakin diary!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: It was not a full-time effort. I was still head of the Vermont alliance of country stores, went to the CMA conference in NYC, kept the house warm and the horses fed and the snow shoveled, built steps &amp; railings for the house, consulted on a Linux audio project in California, was official photographer for a week-long chess camp, produced a percussion concert with Michael Manion, spent a month-long residency at Binaural Media in Portugal, engraved an orchestral score for Christian Wolff, attended several premieres of the WAAM pieces, and started the research for my &#8220;Country Stores of Vermont&#8221; book for The History Press &#8230; and joined Facebook. (And you bet I keep a freakin diary!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is There Such a Thing as Composing Efficiency ? by Dennis Báthory-Kitsz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Báthory-Kitsz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul, it was a little more than 12 hours of music that could be roughly timed. The shortest is a minute, the longest 30 minutes. Some are flexible time, and a few are performance pieces with no specified time (including a book of 99 performance pieces as a single commission). There were 107 in all (The &quot;We Are All Mozart&quot; 100 plus an additional 7 for other reasons). The smallest orchestrations were solo pieces, the biggest a seven-minute piece for large orchestra.

The commonality with Baroque music was the speed and the premise that I was in service to the folks commissioning the music -- they would specify length, orchestration, etc., as well as some idea of the approach the music should take.

Where it departed was that the range of music was more extreme than Vivaldi had to face with his melange orphan ensemble: electroacoustic (about a dozen) and one for just Midi; solos for cello, ukulele, trombone, soprano sax, theremin, violin, horn, flute, marimba, extended voice, accordion, piano, double bass, organ, clarinet, viola, tenor guitar, tenor pan, jew&#039;s harp, alto sax, bass clarinet, piano with jingle bells inside; duos for voice/piano, cello/guitar, bass clarinet/bassoon, 2 celli (four of these), mandocello/piano, tenor pan/cello, trumpet/organ, cello/contrabass, 2 clavichords, piano four-hands, viola/bass clarinet, organ/computer; trios for three horns, three oboes, voice/anvil/piano, violin/cello/piano, voice/flute/guitar, voice/clarinet/vibraphone; quartets for voice/violin/viola/piano, string quartet, viola/horn/cello/piano; pieces for five guitars played by one person, clarinet &amp; string quartet, brass ensemble, flute/bass clarinet/violin/cello/piano (that was the 30-minute one), several a cappella choral pieces, and orchestra.

As for how they were written: Some were sketched on paper and input. Others were through-composed in Finale (I&#039;ve been using it for 19 years and it&#039;s like an instrument to me). 

And to the point on efficiency, some of these were being prepared for performance as they were being finished and others were being written. The &#039;nuts and bolts&#039; simply had to be available to me, whether in mental pen &amp; ink or via notation software.

Finally, the question of quality. This part of the conversation bothers me. How can this be assessed? No, I&#039;m not suggesting a bendy everything-is-okay approach. Do we overlook Beethoven&#039;s early crap or Bach&#039;s stuck-in-the-past last 20 years? Forgive Carter because of his age? Consider a young composer &#039;practicing&#039; on the notation software &#039;instrument&#039; to be developing? I just don&#039;t know how to think about it other than to use my gut. I know those few of the 100 pieces that were weak and which were really good. Were they rough or not? I think almost all were polished in that internal speed with which artists can operate under pressure.

Anyway, I gotta go make dinner. Still thinking about it 5 five years later....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, it was a little more than 12 hours of music that could be roughly timed. The shortest is a minute, the longest 30 minutes. Some are flexible time, and a few are performance pieces with no specified time (including a book of 99 performance pieces as a single commission). There were 107 in all (The &#8220;We Are All Mozart&#8221; 100 plus an additional 7 for other reasons). The smallest orchestrations were solo pieces, the biggest a seven-minute piece for large orchestra.</p>
<p>The commonality with Baroque music was the speed and the premise that I was in service to the folks commissioning the music &#8212; they would specify length, orchestration, etc., as well as some idea of the approach the music should take.</p>
<p>Where it departed was that the range of music was more extreme than Vivaldi had to face with his melange orphan ensemble: electroacoustic (about a dozen) and one for just Midi; solos for cello, ukulele, trombone, soprano sax, theremin, violin, horn, flute, marimba, extended voice, accordion, piano, double bass, organ, clarinet, viola, tenor guitar, tenor pan, jew&#8217;s harp, alto sax, bass clarinet, piano with jingle bells inside; duos for voice/piano, cello/guitar, bass clarinet/bassoon, 2 celli (four of these), mandocello/piano, tenor pan/cello, trumpet/organ, cello/contrabass, 2 clavichords, piano four-hands, viola/bass clarinet, organ/computer; trios for three horns, three oboes, voice/anvil/piano, violin/cello/piano, voice/flute/guitar, voice/clarinet/vibraphone; quartets for voice/violin/viola/piano, string quartet, viola/horn/cello/piano; pieces for five guitars played by one person, clarinet &amp; string quartet, brass ensemble, flute/bass clarinet/violin/cello/piano (that was the 30-minute one), several a cappella choral pieces, and orchestra.</p>
<p>As for how they were written: Some were sketched on paper and input. Others were through-composed in Finale (I&#8217;ve been using it for 19 years and it&#8217;s like an instrument to me). </p>
<p>And to the point on efficiency, some of these were being prepared for performance as they were being finished and others were being written. The &#8216;nuts and bolts&#8217; simply had to be available to me, whether in mental pen &amp; ink or via notation software.</p>
<p>Finally, the question of quality. This part of the conversation bothers me. How can this be assessed? No, I&#8217;m not suggesting a bendy everything-is-okay approach. Do we overlook Beethoven&#8217;s early crap or Bach&#8217;s stuck-in-the-past last 20 years? Forgive Carter because of his age? Consider a young composer &#8216;practicing&#8217; on the notation software &#8216;instrument&#8217; to be developing? I just don&#8217;t know how to think about it other than to use my gut. I know those few of the 100 pieces that were weak and which were really good. Were they rough or not? I think almost all were polished in that internal speed with which artists can operate under pressure.</p>
<p>Anyway, I gotta go make dinner. Still thinking about it 5 five years later&#8230;.</p>
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