Sibelius or Finale?
Posted by Charles in Uncategorized, tags: Finale, Lilypond, Notation, SibeliusThis is not a new debate among us composers, not at all, and like the differences between Apple and PC users, the typical user of either Sibelius or Finale has rarely wanted to bother jumping on the other learning curve after having mastered the program they use. But this has been a year of stepping on learning curves for me.
I’ve been a Finale user for a LONG time, since grad school back in Minnesota. After some failed experiments with SCORE (anyone remember that?) in the early 1990s on an IBM 386 (or those?) I drifted over to Apple and to Finale, and began using Finale for my own work and as a a semi-pro copyist while still working on my thesis (around 1994). There is, by the way, a freeware notation program that, at first glance, seems reminiscent of score, called Lilypond. Anyway, I’ve gone through many incarnations of Finale. Or perhaps I should say only a few. There have been a woefully small handful of significant upgrades in the decade since they started doing annual upgrades of their software (the introduction of Smart Shapes comes to mind), and I would typically let a year or more go by in between upgrades before purchasing one myself. The most recent break was between Finale 2006 and now Finale 2010. For which I completely regret dropping $200. Not to mention because of the added shipping cost to Latvia (which is a completely different but regularly maddening story). In the four years that passed by, they managed to move several menu items or tools to unfamiliar places, and beyond that, I fail to see much difference between them. There are a handful of minor improvements, to be sure, as with the Rehearsal Markings, for example. But nothing that made me have that “cool!” moment.
In fact, one day when I spent quite some time hunting down some tool that had been moved, in frustration I went to Sibelius’ website, and there I had that “cool!” moment. I was impressed with two things in particular: self-adjusting graphic elements and integration with Rewire. I purchased the competitive upgrade of Sibelius 6 for Finale users and await my copy of the software and extra manual as I write (I had to have it shipped to my Dad in North Carolina who will in turn ship it to me).
In Finale, one spends a great deal of time simply moving stuff around. Actually, control over the look of crescendos and decrescendos had been better in earlier versions of Finale. But the incorporation of Rewire into Sibelius was really the deciding factor.
One of the things I had been avoiding for quite some time was engagement with technology. I used Finale, and that was it. The big advances in digital audio were just ramping up as I was just leaving grad school, and most of the work I did in the Analog and Digital sequence at the U of Mn quickly became dated anyway.
But during the past couple of years I have been working up my familiarity with several programs (some with more success than others). So much so that I recently attempted, for the first time, an electroacoustic piece. I used Apple’s Logic 8 Express and Propellerhead’s Reason 4.0 to make the electronic score, and used Finale (without Rewire) to create a notated trumpet part.
The process of composing the trumpet part would have been quite simplified if Finale had Rewire, since Reason already slaves easily to Logic. But as it stood, I would 1.) write some of the trumpet part, notate it in Finale, 2.) save the Finale file as a MIDI file, 3.) import the MIDI file into Reason, 4.) assign a sound to the imported MIDI data, in this case a Combinator trumpet patch, 5.) check how the trumpet part gibed with everything else, 6.) delete the MIDI data in Reason, 7.) make changes to the trumpet part in Finale, and go back to step #2.
Since my next commission is for another electroacoustic piece, this time with flute quartet, I decided to use all that time I would spend navigating around Finale’s shortcomings to learning Sibelius instead.


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Charles,
I’ve used both Sibelius 6 and Finale 2010 and I’m with you that in general Sibelius is easier to use, looks better on screen, and benefits from the ReWire support. In doing some research into other music writing software programs though I came across another one that you might also want to take a look at.
There is another music notation product called Notion (Notion 3 is coming out soon) that started life as a performance product but has evolved into notation as well. If you are doing anything with live performance you might want to take a look. I saw it in demo out at the 2010 National Music Educator’s Conference and I was impressed. It also has ReWire support by the way. Now I just want to get my hands on a copy to do a real review of it. If you are interested at all I have done a comparison of the features of Finale, Sibelius, and Notion (http://www.musicedmagic.com/computers/professional-music-notation-software-reviews-and-buyers-guide.html) and the more I look at Notion the more I want to try it out and see if it truly can stack up against Sibelius and Finale. Time will tell I suppose.
-Chad
Thanks for the heads up on Notion, Chad. Seems they don;t have a demo available at the moment, but I’ll revisit at some point and check it out when they do. Actually, I’m still waiting for my copy of Sibelius to arrive. Long and ugly story so far, but I won’t bore you with the details. Not yet, anyway.
To the people who have used both, I’m curious which program would suit me better. I’ve been struggling with Finale but I think the problem is how I use it. I load in midi files created in Logic and then spend a lot of time and tedium shortening notes, erasing rests, etc. Is Sibelius better for this or is my method inherintly problematic?
Thanks.
Hi,
It’s a long story, but my copy of Sibelius only arrived yesterday, so I can’t speak to that. I’m not sure what you’re doing, but if I would offer general advice on getting your MIDI from Logic to Finale, I would say this: It sounds like a resolution/quantization issue. Logic’s resolution (I think, off the top of my head) is 640 pulses per quarter note. It’s a much finer resolution than you would ever want to see notated. Finale allows you to quantize notes in Hyperscribe but doesn’t give you that option when importing MIDI.
In Logic, when you’re making a MIDI performance, in order to give it a human feel, you typically use several tools for that, and rarely make sure that every single quarter, eighth, whatever is snapped in a rigid metric position. I would say to save a dummy copy of your piece, and with that one strictly quantize it to the smallest rhythmic level you’re using (16ths in most cases). That would take care of the rhythmic/metric start points.
Oh, and I haven’t had need for it, but there’s a possibility to quantize destructively. Choose MIDI > Region Parameters > Apply Quantization Settings Destructively
The other half of the problem is probably note length (duration). Again you’ve got a resolution issue. Logic knows precisely how long every note is, at too high a resolution for useful notation. So, depending on the passage, you could either force legato or correct note overlaps (under the Function/Notes pull down in the piano roll editor), for example, or go under the list editor and manually correct note lengths there. Maybe there’s a better way to do it, globally for example, but if there is, I don’t know it. But it seems to me you could save yourself a fair amount of editing this way, even though I also think you can’t avoid SOME editing.
I hope that helps. Let me know if it works out? Good luck!
Hi Folks,
Robin Hodson here (I was with Sibelius for 12 and a half years and am now with SoundTree). For either Sibelius or Finale users, I have some great free help files to get you up and running fast – just email me if you want a copy: robinh@soundtree.com.
I think our collective view on Notaion is that it’s not in the big league yet with S and F for full-on notation – but indeed, time will tell. Plus I have yet to meet anyone who actually uses it beyond a few broadway folks.
I am a Finale user since 2002, getting the upgrade every year. That’s my problem. I bought 2010 only to find one of my most important plug-ins was gone….the MiBAC Jazz Rhythm Generator. 98% of what I do is jazz oriented and that plug-in literally saves me days of time. Even though the real musicians in a rhythm section, especially the drummer, improvise their part within the given framework…you just can’t write that, but the plug-in gives a good idea for playback. I make CD’s and send them to prospective buyers. Who wants to hear a jazz piece without at least some semblance of a rhythm section? I also have has the usual bugs, crashing on playback, poor customer service ( unless you are a true computer geek to understand their manual), and forget trying to use Garritan Big Band.
My computer has 4 gigs of memory, they recommend at least 1 gig, and still won’t play well.
So, this leads to my question. Does Sibelius 6.1 have A jazz rhythm generator and does it have an Auto Harmony, like Super Sax. etc.? Just in case you are wondering, I only use those harmonies as a basis. I still go through and change the harmonies as I see fit and for playability. Part of that problem with Finale is their limited recognition of advanced jazz chord symbols. I may specify a CMaj7 and harmonizes with C6